Nothing you do by restricting planets/ habitats offers you anything which you do not get when going wide. but a bunch of people would scream bloody murder about how they “nerfed” wide play styles so I doubt it will happen. Now, the Hives that eat people have it easier: Expand like the fckn spanish flu and produce food by eating people. This may be changing in 3. Generally, there are 3 strategies you can mix and match. There are a few common Playstyle types and each type will face similar issues regardless of how the galaxy was created. 416K subscribers in the Stellaris community. My idea was to play domination and build out solid core worlds and maybe a small sector with very strong defense and then go out and subjugate the other empires. Often multiple playstyles apply and synergize. ) Tip. Thread starter Vampiresoap; Start date Apr 25, 2017; Jump to latest Follow Reply Menu We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment More posts you may likeMade it a research world to soak up all the Necrophage pops, and transferred some to buff up other worlds. There hasn't been since like 1. Get heroic past (+1 trait) and meritocracy (+1 trait pick) Step 2. DoeCommaJohn. . You cannot go tall, becuase you have already cut off your legs and stumped your hands by going standard hive. 3 was plenty to tackle every unmodded challenge available. In some updates, it was a very effective strategy to get ahead technologically and get early ascensions - it's much less the case now. We will use these. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming. ago. Playing tall refers to the strategy of empowering a small realm. 4; 4; 3; Reactions: Reply. Playing tall may make that a waste of a perk though. How to play tall in stellaris: Switch your game version in the steam launcher to something from 30 years ago before admin cap jobs were added. There is the playing tall strategy. Megastructures will further boost tall play style. Breeding them takes to long. Mar 4, 2022. Also, I'm the Custodian. Play Tall Trait for Stellaris. /rantThe second vassal everyone will want is the Scholarium, who provides a significant bonus to research potential and valuable science tribute. Ascensions are cool. Report. I would say it's not even extra steps anymore, since there's no way you'll get enough leaders to effectively sector an integrated vassal. "Tall" in Stellaris isn't doing more with less, it's just having less. The "3. Sadly, space gnomes have not been confirmed, so we'll probably be forced to play tall. OP, there currently is no such thing as a tall build for this game. But the real mechanic at play with Tall vs. Wide. Stellaris is modelling a whole host of SciFi tropes while also being a 4X game (opposed to the previous two's grand strategy genre). All in all though I think this build I'm playing is more static than I like. Stellaris has no such restrictions, in fact it’s the opposite; there are almost no consequences for conquering other empires early, you even have choices depending on your situation, and early conquests allow you to conquer even more mid to late game. If there was a way for even more primatives and most empires playing tall and maybe a few colonies, with most of their fleets coming from federations, then that would be a more true star trek scenario. Here is what I have to report back: -This mod is very impressive and proves a greater challenge than Glavius mod by far. 2 updated for 1. . This is an inescapable reality that makes Tall a challenge run and not a legitimate strategy in most situations: fewer systems = fewer planets = fewer pops = weaker economy. Tall is not efficient, it only gets you what you need and often pertains slaving. I believe the large consensus among Stellaris players who pay attention to meta is that, in 2. I'd argue no, due to the nature of population growth and the general lack of bonuses for small empires. Just don't confuse playing a voidborne in a very small space with playing tall. I think my problem is that i am too eager to expend. 2. Also a way to request/provide economic assistance and ships when you are attacked would be really good. Diogenes_of_Sparta Specialist • 2 yr. mining guilds is a lot better as the. That fixed a lot of problems. I believe this is OPS's most valuable asset. The rules I'm playing with prevent me from ever having any colonies outside my starting system - this isn't as restrictive as it could be since the disk has 6 size 90 worlds on it. Tall since well, ever, hasn’t been a great option but now more. 3 is a bad idea. 0 there is no difference between science going tall or wide. Get a migration treaty immediately so you can get access to other species. It was not fun. Building slots don’t expand from population anymore and city districts do not expand them; so, every habitat will be a few slots big until end game. Origin varies but Gaia, voidborn and the ever broken ring world start works well. ;-) Most of the wide drawbacks come in the form of population. It would mimick a wide play power curve, but with a tall looking empire. It is way to easy to spam Burocrats to avoid any penalties from rapid expansion. (Not super-tall though, as in one planet, but only 8 planets and about 16 systems at present. He plays stellaris and stands above 6’5 Reply Modo44 •. It doesn't work in Stellaris (at least in 3. If the devs want to make the game all about. I've taken the society tech for a 10% naval capacity increase once or twice. Either that. Spreading all over the map is playing wide. . It's okay to limit yourself to a smaller, more defensible slice of space, at least initially. 8 no DLC. ago. It does make sense in stellaris to play as a "Tall" empire. Megastructures aren't the only way to succeed when playing tall. S. Outside of this there is no "Tall" concept in Stellaris as more. Subscribe to downloadChoices Matter: Tall vs. However since few systems with a lot of planets/habitats pretty much are the same mechanically I do not consider it playong tall. Stellaris. 1 rules, the best way to play Tall was to reduce the number of systems you controlled. Low empire size penalties. With shattered ring, you get 3 big ring sections in your starting system, great for tall play. Also if you turn off early game scaling it’s much more difficult. #56. It is a very rough start. That's what 2. 3 beta). Going wide has been always been better than tall outside of one patch where you could rush science nexus. I finished a rear admiral playthrough as a megacorp recently, no gameplay-changing mods. Playing tall is a strategy among others, it's not really a playstyle as it can be in some other games (well, mostly Civ5 in fact, and it's really just another word for turtling). A "tall" empire's colonies aren't going to be much stronger or more populated than a wide empire's colonies. ago. [deleted] • 5 yr. Even “playing tall” can benefit from this pick early since 30 administrative capacity is nothing and the +20 essentially translates into faster research and tradition. General. And Ringworlds would still have that drawback. If you get stuck with it, ignore this step. Especially if you've been away for 1-2 years. They are more diplomatic than a typical empire, as you'll want at least a couple friends to establish commercial pacts with and build branch offices on their places. Step 2: pretend that you wanted to be small and ineffective in the first place. Empire strategy that minimizes empire size. #9. In Civ 5, taking tradition and limiting yourself to 4 cities for most of the game typically means your cities will grow much faster than if you play wide. Especially if you've been away for 1-2 years. 273 upvotes · 38 comments. 0. A Void Dweller run will play completely differently from a Nihilistic Acquisition raider run, which will play completely differently from a one-planet-challenge run. Basically a tall playstyle is ignoring 4x and GSG conventions. Overlord has changed a bunch of things when it comes to vassals and such. Forcing it to inevitably conquer them as time goes on No it doesn't. When I look at some people's screenshots here, I see that some have naval caps in the 300's and 400's at the same time as I'm playing (early 24th century). There are a couple of problems with playing tall. Weekly PSA: Habitat spam is the definition of playing wide. InflationCold3591. Early on, the universe is filled. There is no such thing as “playing tall” in Stellaris. That's a 70% increase. Could you. . Go for Bio-Ascension for cloning vats. As a result, my mineral and energy credit production is a bit stunted until later in the. self. also if you're mass vassalizing that's not really tall play, that's just playing wide with extra steps. Enemies might scoff at you and only spare you because of your bigger friends. One of the simplest ways is to either stand on a chair or wear high heels but it's not very comfortable on the long run. Alternatively, you can use automation, which is actually pretty easy and works well enough for most people. Internal struggles. That's when the mandatory late game genocide comes in handy. Now that every system increases tech costs by a flat rate playing tall is merely minmaxxing system ownership. But i definitely struggle when it comes to playing a more aggressive empire like the Commonwealth of Man or the Determined Exterminators. 8 Archetype Play-stylespared to read, better leave. After a while, re-change your pops so that those on habitats get great specialist traits and those on planets get good worker traits. the new plant trait of "budding" is pretty good in this scenario as the total size of planet will increase assembly speed but that does mean you can't build machines. It is inspired by EUIV’s province development feature, which allows countries with a few provinces to be able to match or even be better than countries with more but less lucrative provinces. To add to this, both implemented systems of empire sprawl, both post and pre 3. Playing tall means you concentrate on maxxing out a small number of planets and systems, but I just find it inferior to playing wide, winning aside you just miss out on a tonne of content like the architectural digs, leviathan's, etc. I believe the large consensus among Stellaris players who pay attention to meta is that, in 2. Stellaris "Tall" mainly means getting as much resources as possible out of a small(er) space. Jump to latest Follow Reply. Admin cap is super important since you're more sensitive to sprawl penalty. Stellaris. Indentured Servitude is the best kind of slavery, as it has the fewest job restrictions. ) Playing Tall is a very special type of empire. Since colony ships wasn't researched at the start, I. and also having a planet to grow pops on (and then relocate them home) lets you grow a lot faster. R5: I just love having vassals and building a hegemony over conquest. Planets and habitats within the same system counts as one system (but all there pops go towards pops penalty) The 0,01 penalty is the 1% penalty to research for each pop over 10 you have in your kingdom. Shipsets were reptilian. 2. Playing tall has genuine benefits in terms of potential mid to late game expansion. Over the course of time, that planet will grow and become very valuable and the energy cost to setup a branch office will pay for itself, many times over. First things first, let's talk definitions - I describe 'going tall' in Stellaris as simply restricting oneself to never having sectors. WebShaman • 6 yr. Finally, Part 3 contains a mix of tips and tricks for you to use to take your roleplaying to the next level. Playing tall is more viable now, there will be buildable habitats which are basically small planets and the new unity mechanic will also favour smaller empires. 1. I would say going tall is even more viable now. By mid- and certainly in the late game you should have a resource extraction planets feeding production and research planets. And it can help a lot of your species has traits like intelligent or strong to take advantage of the bonuses, every plus 5% can help your empire survive longer. If you end up in an empty corner of the galaxy with a lot of space to yourself, playing tall is just a pure handicap. Sometimes I play tall, sometimes wide, occasionally I play as the crisis or as an exterminator. Because Stellaris is so bad about preventing snowballing, it’s way easier to play wide than tall. If you play tall right, you can get more than 15000 tech per month mid game. Yup. 2) Optimize Production Methods edict An edict with a base cost of 300 influence and a base duration of 10 years that increases resources from jobs by 50%. First things first; your ethics should be materialist-authoritarian-militarist or fanatic materialist-militarist. Add a Comment. The player "developed" these systems to the heights of their abilities, using Habitats and Ringworlds. It ends up being. R5: The Alderson disk origin (added by gigastructual engineering) is a really fun game if you want to play tall. 5. He is punching well above his weight, and would be a strong player in multiplayer. The problem is that it wasn't obvious because of. The bad thing is all/most your vassals will hate you because you are so small and they might try to fight to get free, even if you have a far superior fleet. 3 update damages the ability to play wide, going tall is the smarter play. Hey guys, I'm not very good at this game, i played 3 times on ensign now and i have not really become more powerful than other civilizations. Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Hyndis • Additional comment actions. This is your Definitive Guide for "How to Play Tall" in Stellaris Console Edition! If you want to learn in Stellaris How to Play Tall then this Stellaris Pla. Generally it's not really practical to play tall without the Void Dwellers origin as you would need insane luck to have a good. This may promote a "tall" growth of your empire, certainly helped by the presence of the Ecumenopolis, however this is a strategy that still has to find its place in the Stellaris meta. It's like having a huge empire to defend, but you don't get the huge economy to go with it. This dichotomy really isn't applicable to Stellaris. The benefits of playing tall are as follows: Smaller empires are easier to manage. Its the eternal question that decides how you’re going to play your game of stellaris and what you early strategy is going to be. Tall is more chill and easier. ago. Megacorp fits very neatly for tall empires, given trade's (somewhat) reduced reliance on planets and pops, and their penalty to empire size. I'm considering turning down habitable worlds. However its not completely ridiculous as a way to differentiate play styles. but what tall is or isn't is another debate I suppose and I didn't feel confident in getting any points across without using the terminology. walter. 11 votes, 19 comments. Absolutely insane for a research capital and tall empire. growing pops requires going wide and in stellaris pops are everything. ago. 6. Pacifism also allows the player to pick an exceptionally powerful Civic, Inward Perfection. After playing tall it feels really limiting to go back to wide which sucks because I get way more satisfaction from conquering large swathes of space than I do from basically playing as a fallen empire. Yes, and this is not Civ 5, this Stellaris. What does this mod encompass Play Tall trait Limits Core Systems Allowed2. Two strategies stand out when we talk about empire size. Fluffy-Tanuki Agrarian Idyll • 4 mo. In Stellaris, you don't make that choice. I like my little bubble of about 20-25 systems, depending on what is in them or what they are. . A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by…. In stellaris many consider playing tall means few systems. TLDR, I think tall isnt dead, it is just more gradient. You get more and more ways to focus your power inward. (Not super-tall though, as in one planet, but only 8 planets and. Go to Stellaris r/Stellaris. Ryika Jan 29, 2022 @ 11:08pm. There is still no better or more successful way to play the game than tech rush, expand like a virus and maxing out your fleet. The biggest reason Wide is better than Tall is growth related. 7. For this approach, you'd want origins that can benefit as early as possible from. Business, Economics, and Finance. 2. When i play these it often ends. You can play tall empires by taking tributaries and vassals, its fully possible to only have a few planets while "owning" half the galaxy through your subjects. I am enjoying playing "Tall" and focusing on tech, planets etc. Not coincidentally, it’s also the biggest driving incentive toward playing wide. Going into the fir. That typically translates to two or three sectors, max. Weekly PSA's PSA- the definition of playing wide is disputed, and many people use systems as opposed to planets as the model in Stellaris. Stack research until you burst, playing tall without Megacorp or Inward Perfection is tricky, and the problem is that going wide will almost always work out better for you, even with DLC. You'll have to resettle, buy slaves or aquire more pops later to fill this world. In the current beta branch, I’m running a megacorp. The other main reason is that pure machine empires only rely on energy for unity and research production, which makes playing tall weaker than wide since you won’t have as many planets to turn into pure energy worlds, meaning less specialization meaning less production-per-pop. you can gain a significant advantage in tech and traditions by focussing on a small number of large, well developed worlds. ChronicallyDepressed. Key ethic: Fanatic PacifistKey civic: Beacon of LibertyKey trait: Docile/Streamlined Protocols Key traditions: Dom. For Stellaris I tend to prefer the term "Dense" as in few systems, but densely populated with habitats. Wide means you have more variety of planets and has its own fun to it. 2. 0, we had several tall builds. Stellaris Tall vs Wide, which is better? Wide, the answer is wide. Every game I'm like "okay in gonna find the nearest choke points and play tall" and never actually do unless I get boxed in. It’s not a case of habitats being bad for robots, it’s more that their 100% habitability on all planets goes against the tall playstyle. In Stellaris tall games are a lot of fun where you limit yourself to around 20 systems and play as a galactic defender and mediator protecting the less advanced empires. It gets in my way of actually being able to play. If you happen to trigger a certain precursor, but then the areas where their events can spawn end up occupied by other empires, you can be left with 0/6 hints. The second approach is a colossus rampage. But it’s basicaly giving yourself a handicap for little to no reason. 0 ruleset that was revised in 3. 0 anglers got stronger. Stellaris was released in 2016, and it's only been six years. Once you complete your unity traditions hopefully around 2300-2320 (or earlier) ascend your trade world to level 10. It is clear, that Stellaris tries it. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement. So really it's up to you. Spoken like someone who isn’t even seven feet tall! Step 1: get boxed in by superior powers. Tall builds are barely viable with DLCs, without them they're basically impossible. Playing tall works. Building Tall Pacifist Empire. 2; Reactions: Reply. all needs a big overhaul. Playing tall finally is viable and I don't feel forced to expand non-stop without trade-offs. Assuming you play 2. I have been thinking about something like this since playing a tall Void Dwellers game right after a very successful wide Overtuned game, but the work involved in sorting it all out was. Technology_Training • 3 mo. Created by Robinicus. Trying to conquer whole empire's as soon as met them and have a stronger fleet. 100% habitability is nice for migration treaties with other species that have desirable traits, and increases the chances of refugees in the lategame for more pop growth. like clone army origin - can make some viable tall builds, but ultimately playing tall is intentionally handicapping yourself at this point (including in the 3. I have been getting back into this game for the past few weeks and i am still unsure how some things work. I really love stellaris and want to try something new, but run out of ideas, also Stellaris has great communityTall vs wide use to be about science before 2. NB: this is system not planet. Ethics, Civics, Traditions and other choices strongly support or hinder certain Playstyles. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by Paradox Development Studio. large number of poorly developed planets. In that case, megacorp is always good, and void dweller will help overcome the main downside of tall: not enough planets. How to win at Stellaris: Play Wormhole only. Currently bigger empires (ie conquest) is just stronger due to the fact that you can just increase your empire sprawl endlessly (ie no science loss from bigger empires) and the ai has weird ship designs and uses buildings suboptimally. Yeah, it would be nice if the game supported playing tall. The upcoming 3. In Civ 4, which is an actual 4x game unlike Stellaris, playing "tall" is viable. The winning strategy was always to expand as widely as possible because doing that. The meta has shifted a lot throughout Stellaris’s life cycle and will likely shift a lot more in the future. With that being said, playing tall in Stellaris is a lot harder than you think! How, then, can you get started playing tall in this game? Keep reading to discover our comprehensive guide! Set Your Limits See moreHow to play tall? I thought the changes to unity, particularly the planetary ascension mechanic, would make it ideal for a corporate empire to play tall, so I gave it. Hello my most pious followers. He noted one of the paradox devs in the Stellaris Devs clash was playing as a tall pacifist empire. What I do at the. The wide playstyle embraces sprawl inefficiency like a friend absorbing everything it can, heedless of the diminishing returns. (influence tries to do this, but it doesn't do a good job of it at present) You just do both. Tall empires. This along with the +25% growth from devouring swarm AND +15% food bonus means some crazy fast breeding. After that take the angler civic, agrarian idyll and when you get the third one take catalytic converter as thats key to the whole build. . Related. Though I do think it will be similar to other gs games were playing wide is by far the best strategy and building tall is more something to do while waiting for the next war or something. Sorry mate but it kinda sounds more like you are just being a sore loser here. However, nihilistic acquisition allows you to take other peoples pops to absolutely FILL your planets. 1. Enslaving conquered populations is tricky and requires a lot of pop shuffling. For going tall, you really don't need it. Small. Introduced with the title's Utopia expansion, habitats act as a tool that enables playing tall. 3 base systems + 2 from finishing Expansion traditions + 2 from Efficient Bureaucracy civic + 5 from Imperial Prerogative ascension perk (and maybe another 2/4 if you can stomach playing pacifist plus whatever core sector technologies you can research) is more than enough to get you orbital habitats. Pros: Very flexible, allows for a degree of dabbling in tall play for otherwise wide empires. The system is the backbone of Stellaris. | Paradox Interactive Forums. Base habitat, with the size modifier, will have maybe half population growth from size penalties. Unless a lower setting is fine for the Tall. It is great for high difficulties because you don’t have to attack the really powerful empires and can get them to pathetic by mid to late game. You get more yeild from the planet as far as resources plus more space for research labs. With that being said, playing tall in Stellaris is a lot harder than you think! How, then, can you get started playing tall in this game? Keep reading to discover our comprehensive guide! Set Your Limits How to play tall? I thought the changes to unity, particularly the planetary ascension mechanic, would make it ideal for a corporate empire to play tall, so I gave it a shot. 2 councillor traits out of 3 is good enough for me. Give me the most broken empire you have. You can rightfully play this by ONLY claiming systems with huge planets with lots of room for research and skipping over systems with. I explored my immediate area, only went after systems that were "behind" chokepoints (from an outside perspective), and tried to get the basic strategic resources (motes. Whether it be just one county or a small duchy, the player uses all of their resources to funnel a small area on the map. Flashbacks to Vic 2 sphere system. Unyielding lets you support more Starbases, which means more room for Hydroponics buildings, which means more food without needing to devote pops to producing it. 7. This includes systems such as the Sanctuary ringworld system, the system with the planet Zanaam and any special systems in the DLC (if you have the appropriate DLC). While for the latter, most empires that were widely spread also had ‘tall’. In just one year, that's 3600 minerals conserved. In previous patches, especially before 3. Stellaris 2 really needs to have closer to Victoria pops. Worth noting that the "drag" on research from empire size is pretty much the most negatively impactful (mechanically-speaking) aspect of a galaxy-spanning empire (i. Fluffy-Tanuki Agrarian Idyll • 4 mo. You get 20% from level 3 holy covenant, 25% from finishing the Harmony tradition tree (required to form holy covenant) and 25% from the civic. Tall in stellaris is weird, since planets just exist nothing really stops you from conquering some big planets, and building ecumenopolis or ringworlds. You need about 100 complex drones on a single planet (IE ring worlds or Ecumenopoli) for each bio trophy to be equal to a single robot and that is the RS's biggest issue. It is what gives you access to resources, it is what you use to claim territory. How to Manage Empire Size in Stellaris. CK2 took around 8 years until the release of ck3. 1 rules, the best way to play Tall was to reduce the number of systems you controlled. large empire size) at present. Galactic footprint is a common usage for "wide vs tall" so you're not wrong, but op is correct in terms of game mechanics. Pre-ftl civilizations could also arise. If you play habitats you can get more resources from jobs without actually taking up more space. Since you play pretty much the same if you have 50 habitats rather. Currently in 2. Is there any viable way to play void devellers besides commerce-tech build P. Edit: I also think that playing pacifists is definitely the go-to way to try playing a tall empire, since you're kinda forced into it, as you can't conquer other empires territory. Playing tall is not only possible, it's insanely powerful and (on Insane), I am always the most powerful empire in the galaxy by 2400. 9 (2. ago. Best. It is viable to for example use diplomacy and just build shit loads of habitats to grow populations and form alliances and federations and mostly invade to create new versions of your own empire and include them in your federations. I felt like I wasn't playing Stellaris, I felt like I was playing high elo StarCraft match. There are Stellaris gurus that will tell you that by building up pops in preference to acquiring systems is playing tall. First time around it'll remove all selected mining/research stations, second time you press it it'll delete the starbase itself, provided there are none of your colonies in the system. That also doesn't fix a billion unnecessary pop ups per game, half of the anomalies requiring manual intervention that consisted of "click buttan. By Obsidian Shadow. Hello my most pious followers. Playing tall is more viable now, there will be buildable habitats which are basically small planets and the new unity mechanic will also favour smaller empires. . Empire sprawl is still used by the community, and the terms are interchangeable. HopeFox • 6 yr. But you're right. 0 growth). 0 changed that, claiming systems increases tech cost as well as planets, but now population doesn't increase tech cost. "Tall" as compared to "wide" is generally presumed to be going really high development on a low number of cities/planets (depending on your game), rather than low development of. Playing tall in Stellaris has always been a mean and not an end. Mind you, even when playing tall, I don't build them, I'd rather. I keep seeing stuff around the internet about 2. Tall vs wide isn’t really something that makes sense in context of stellaris or real history. Option A is to build up your internal economy, with any commercial or trade agreements being bonuses to your own production. The tall playstyle dines like a gourmet only picking the very best and shunning the crud. It's not about having few planets - in fact you should still get as many ( properly developed!! Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming.